Screed over ceramics

Discussion in 'Subfloor Preparation' started by vman, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. vman

    vman Well-Known Member

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    As the title says, looking for a good primer and screed to go over quite shiny ceramic tiles. The new flooring will be loose laid cushionfloor. Cheers
     
  2. dannyboy

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    i think ardex na should be fine for this mate and probably to be safe their primer.
    give ardex a ring their tech services are spot on.
     
  3. SandyFloor

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    I've done it several times with Ball P131 applied neat and then HD300.
     
  4. bournemouth

    bournemouth Super Moderator

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    Also used 131 primer on tiles but you end up with it stuck to your feet and knees when it peels off, what about that rough feeling primer Matt showed us on course didn't he say that was good for ceramics I may be wrong I've even forgot what it was called :oops: but it was a grey colour and I'm sure it was a mapei one
     
  5. dannyboy

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    Uzin do a similar one to that its a sandy colour. I dont know what thats called either :oops:
     
  6. Trimmer

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    Green bag and 114 used to be able to be used over ceramics without priming. Don't know if you still can though.
    I used 131 and 700 over some recently.
     
  7. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Mapei prim grip is the grey primer. Perfect for using over ceramics.

    Be careful of latex compounds that say they can go over ceramics with no primer. they will 99% of the time be a very poor strength compound. Only really suitable for domestic loose lay vinyl.
     
  8. mjfl

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    Pe280 I think
     
  9. VitoManiac

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    Does any manufacturer actually advise the use or even guarantee their products over ceramics?
     
  10. SandyFloor

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    I think they do as long as the preparation is right. I was advised by Ball some time ago about over polished porcelain. It was to abrade the surface first, neat 131 and screed.
     
  11. Matt

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    be careful abrading. If you cut through the finish the tile will be effected by moister in the compounds. Also dont forget that to cut a tile you score it.
     
  12. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Mapei will.
     
  13. vman

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    Thanks for the options, I think I'll give the mapei products we used on the training course a go.
    Just need to find somewhere to buy them from :?
     
  14. tarkett85

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    Any reason the tiles can't be lifted? That's usually the best option.
     
  15. tarkett85

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    Headlam and floorwise run them.
     
  16. vman

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    Yeah the kitchen is on top of the tiles and all the trim and doors is cut to the tiles. Would like to lift but could be more hassle than its worth, after all it's only a loose lay cushionfloor it's going down.
    Thanks again :D
     
  17. tarkett85

    tarkett85 Well-Known Member

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    Jumpax mate, work a treat.
     
  18. SandyFloor

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    Porcelain tiles are usually porcelain all the way through or at least the top 5mm or so and extremely dense, generally non porous and very very hard. The problem with abrading them is it usually takes diamond abrasion just to spoil the polished surface.

    Although you can score and snap a porcelain tile like a ceramic one quite often you have to cut and inch or so from each end with a diamond saw first or it will break outwith the score when you try to snap it.
     
  19. Matt

    Matt Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Im talking ceramics mate, sorry if i have confused?

    What i will say is i would advice not to abrade any tiles as most floorlayers who say fits only LVT may not know the difference between porcelain and ceramic or marble etc. So i tend to advice to not abraid any of them.


    ANYWAY, my weak point in flooring is the above subject. I can tell you how to bond to the above product but i have just learnt of you a few pointers. Thanks

    Wheres that THANKS button ???? :cool:
     

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