Was on a job the other day and the bloke there was using the stanley bostitch nail gun kit with a long lead. It worked great. I've been using my machine mart compresser with my spotnails nail gun which now I know isn't powerfull enough. So just ordered the spotnails compressor. Comes with a 10 meter lead which is well better then the 3 metre one I've been using. I have 100 metre ply job early Jan so worth paying £200 to speed things up . What do you use?
http://www.spotnails.co.uk/maestri/mk20 ... g_tool.htm got it brand new off ebay for £40 and make my own line from heavy duty anti kink polyprop pipe with removable ends, as it does not degrade and split like rubber ones mate. The gun I use is a B&Q one lasts about 6 months and swap for a new one as was sick of waiting on repair shops fixing and time lost on expensive ones so even if it is bust (or not :roll: ) just get them to straight swap (keep receipt in van)
i don't bother with compressors, i screw down ply (got an auto feed driver http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-6843-2-auto-feed-screwdriver-240v/72415), and use a manual nailer for wood nailing.
I've got the spotnails compressor with staple gun works brilliant I use it for any ply job over 3 sheets, my mate has the same comp but uses the big coil nail gun which I don't like to big and heavy and when nailing to close to the edge it kicks up a layer of ply on the edge ( if that makes any sense )
I use a sealey air mate comp and Clarke staple gun, stapler is cheep so just replace when it breaks. No big deal. The coil nailers are quite heavy and bulky, and sometimes the copper wire that keeps the nails together sticks out the floor sometimes, really good for 9mm and thicker ply though.
As bladerunner said chisel point arent suitable for full stick downs thats why i was checking vman , but i didnt no clarke guns took div staples :?, good to know though, also what nailer you got? Thought the majority only took plastic collated nails as there a lot better, Correct me if im wrong tho
owen, dont presume that all divergent firing guns are sutible for floor prep. For instance i would not personally recommend a ME4000 for fixing plywood. Spotnails / cfj say you can but its boarder line strong enough. To be fair tho, it used to be fine maybe 10 years ago but plywood quality has lowered and the size of the head needed to fix the plywood is not large enough on the ME4000 any more. (like i say tho, this is actually down to low quality plywood being supplied to us) Also to add, you can get straight firing staples that have barbs that hold possible better. And a final question for you to think about...... why is a divergent staples grab stronger than a a non divergent staple? (open question for you all here ....)
I didnt presume anything matt :?, all i was asking wether or not he was using div point staples, and that i didnt no clarke done a stapler that could take div point staples thats all. I Thought the 606 was the recommended stapler tho matt and not the 4000? Again correct me if im wrong, i dont use either i use a bostitch stapler sx1538 i think it is(use coil nailer most of the time tho bostitch again), good job i brought that up actually my supplier cant get the staples i need anymore, ill have to have a word with rugrat to see if he can get them for me if possible.
Oh and my answer to your question is divergent point staples leg spread when coming in contact with a hard surface and that is because the points on there legs point in opposite direction so in that case would hold a lot better? Wheras normal staples go straight into the wood in the same direction therefore are easier to pull out, theres my answer anyway.
To be fair to the subject Matt i have had this discussion on here in the past regarding staplers, and unless we all "state" which ones are suitable for ply fixing then we stick to the safe and tried/tested.I bought the air spotnails one that is similar to air maestri using the same staples as the 606 and 4000 with divergent staples.
4000 was recommended for plywood upto about 1 week ago. Anyone who owns a 4000 tho it says on the side for plywood and the old stock staples say for plywood also. But like i say its JUST been changed. Also to note that the 606 has been down graded to Hardboard and max 4mm plywood only last week :shock: Seems there has been some issues of plywood failing. Which is down to the quality of the plywood not the nailer as it was fine for the last 10-15 years. (hence i have asked about your issues about plywood the other week to get the standard raised) Also i wonder how they are going to rate the compressed air version of 606 now as the 606 has been down graded as not sutible for holding plywood over 4mm :roll:
4000 and 606 are completely different staples. Also the 4000 and 606 are no longer sutible for plywood So as teh staples are no longer good enough for the 606 i would presume that would mean no longer any good for the compressed air one. However it has not been down graded as of yet. Like i have said above tho. Its not the guns or the fixing but the plywood not sutible.
So we should have a notification of where we should be purchasing the wood(ply) and which staplers/nailers are suitable for traders to use or else its pointless going on courses and gambling on which products are suitable to do the job.Which ply do the "TRAINING SCHOOLS" use and where from?.
Who ever supplies you your plywood should be supplying you plywood fit for purpose. Its got nothing to do with training schools etc. ( o and we use wickes or travis perkins plywood as its of a good quality) Training schools can show the correct way to fasten plywood to the standards in force at the time of training. What the training Schools will do tho is pass on the new information as they are informed. For instance if you was on the next training course at Floorskills you will be informed of the changes last week to Spotnails tools and shown tools fit for purpose from now on until some new tool comes out or standards change again. Maybe you should be asking Spotnails why they have down graded there stapler's ? It is there tool at the end of the day that all of a sudden is not fit for purpose to what it was originally sold for? Like i say tho, its down to poor quality plywood that came on the market over the last couple of years that is the issue. And again this is why i asked you all to let me know what problems you was having with plywood and where you purchased from so i can try and do something about it. As it happens im in talks with a plywood federation that over see's quality of plywood and they can see there is a problem with what we are being supplied by the main flooring supplies that even has plywood that has been stamped to say it meets the standards but it does not. Its strange how you can buy good quality plywood form Wickes but our flooring supplies are selling us substandard plywood.
Machine marts ! A lot more powerfull than the spotnails ones. Spotnails ones are perfectly fine tho but struggle if you want to use two guns or more heavy duty tools.
